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Post by Yoggington on Dec 2, 2016 5:54:21 GMT
Alright, temporary version for a day or two so people can pick me up on any obvious errors.  1) Were there any #hashtags? My download had #survivor in the recap but nothing else. I wonder if that was embedded in the recap some way that wouldn't catch any live ones. 2) Adam's brother's confessional is getting credited to Adam. Future Seasons we'll work this in better. 3) Jay is getting 5 points for inheriting the advantage which is not really in the rules either but an expanded version of the same way Ken got credit for Jessica's. 4) The Questions at the loved-ones challenge got very messy and is not something I anticipated at the start of the Season. Will tighten it up for next year, but for now we're going by the rule as it stands. Everyone got a question asked except for Will womp womp. Will scored fantastically though! What a breakout for him. Not as well as Adam did and those late game immunities are huge on a captain. No, his mis-played idol scored him nothing. David & Jay the best of the rest. Jessica was pick of the Jurors. |
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Post by taterman on Dec 2, 2016 13:07:00 GMT
There was #reward, which I've always thought is absolutely a generic hashtag and shouldn't be counted ever, but it's already been counted in the past this season far so.
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Post by taterman on Dec 2, 2016 13:12:38 GMT
Oh and the loved one confessional transferral thing makes sense and I was wondering about that during the episode. I think a rule that just says something like "if a loved one gets a confessional it counts for their player" is pretty fair and sensible.
I don't think Jay should get points for getting the advantage though. It isn't like the legacy advantage at all since willing it away is an explicit part of the twist. Giving away the reward advantage is like giving away an idol, and you would never get points for someone giving you an idol at camp so I don't think this should get points here. It'd be inconsistent.
Also, I am positive Chris got 1 single shot. Yw single person in the game who has him!
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Post by taterman on Dec 2, 2016 13:16:40 GMT
Oh lmao sorry for being a non stop annoying ass postwhore my b! But I don't think those were the most recent prices either. I defs remember Hannah was at 3 by the end of last week, Zeke was at 7, Chris at 1, etc.
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Post by melanie on Dec 2, 2016 15:09:47 GMT
I don't think Jay should get points for getting the advantage though. It isn't like the legacy advantage at all since willing it away is an explicit part of the twist. Giving away the reward advantage is like giving away an idol, and you would never get points for someone giving you an idol at camp so I don't think this should get points here. It'd be inconsistent. How is Jay not getting a game advantage given to him not "receiving" a game advantage? He clearly received it, no matter how it was given to him? +10 Points: Finding/receiving a game advantage (non-auction) NEW |
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Post by taterman on Dec 2, 2016 15:21:35 GMT
I don't think Jay should get points for getting the advantage though. It isn't like the legacy advantage at all since willing it away is an explicit part of the twist. Giving away the reward advantage is like giving away an idol, and you would never get points for someone giving you an idol at camp so I don't think this should get points here. It'd be inconsistent. How is Jay not getting a game advantage given to him not "receiving" a game advantage? He clearly received it, no matter how it was given to him? +10 Points: Finding/receiving a game advantage (non-auction) NEW Because of this statement a few lines under that: "These points only count on initial finding. When Kyle passes his idol to Scot, this does not count as receiving another idol." |
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Post by gerbil on Dec 2, 2016 15:52:54 GMT
I'm not gonna push for this now since it's already been established for the season, but for the next season I feel like playing an idol and nullifying votes, even though it's not the majority of the votes, should count for something. Like, it's still successful in a sense and it's no small feat to play an idol on the right person. Maybe just a couple points for every vote nullified?
Also, I'd be curious to hear thoughts on this. Should votes count against a player's score if they're nullified by an idol? Again, not gonna argue for this now since it's already come into play during Lucy's boot, but it's something that I thought of and I think it's worth considering for future seasons.
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Post by Yoggington on Dec 2, 2016 16:38:14 GMT
I was thinking about that, it used to be 10 points for playing it regardless. Maybe something per vote nulled would be right. Remember it for the suggestions thread when that rolls around.
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Post by melanie on Dec 2, 2016 17:05:55 GMT
How is Jay not getting a game advantage given to him not "receiving" a game advantage? He clearly received it, no matter how it was given to him? +10 Points: Finding/receiving a game advantage (non-auction) NEW Because of this statement a few lines under that: "These points only count on initial finding. When Kyle passes his idol to Scot, this does not count as receiving another idol." Quit trying to make me look dumb, tater.  |
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Post by taterman on Dec 2, 2016 17:52:21 GMT
I'm not gonna push for this now since it's already been established for the season, but for the next season I feel like playing an idol and nullifying votes, even though it's not the majority of the votes, should count for something. Like, it's still successful in a sense and it's no small feat to play an idol on the right person. Maybe just a couple points for every vote nullified? Also, I'd be curious to hear thoughts on this. Should votes count against a player's score if they're nullified by an idol? Again, not gonna argue for this now since it's already come into play during Lucy's boot, but it's something that I thought of and I think it's worth considering for future seasons. Yes times a thousand to your first point. Your first point is interesting and idrk where I'd land. Since votes are a nice even 4 points now, maybe it's worth considering making votes nullified by an idol count off 2 points per vote? It's kinda the perfect compromise since it still penalizes the player for getting votes, but acknowledges that the votes didn't ultimately count. I don't feel strongly about it but I think it's a decent change if we wanted. |
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Post by taterman on Dec 2, 2016 17:53:26 GMT
Because of this statement a few lines under that: "These points only count on initial finding. When Kyle passes his idol to Scot, this does not count as receiving another idol." Quite trying to make me look dumb, tater. I'm sorry Mel, I solemnly swear to only try to make Yog look dumb from now on. |
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Post by A2K2 on Dec 2, 2016 18:47:42 GMT
I'm quitting
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Post by gerbil on Dec 2, 2016 19:21:10 GMT
Yes times a thousand to your first point. Your first point is interesting and idrk where I'd land. Since votes are a nice even 4 points now, maybe it's worth considering making votes nullified by an idol count off 2 points per vote? It's kinda the perfect compromise since it still penalizes the player for getting votes, but acknowledges that the votes didn't ultimately count. I don't feel strongly about it but I think it's a decent change if we wanted. Well here's my reasoning for the second suggestion: for one thing, the point deduction is for votes cast against a contestant and technically when they've been cancelled by an idol they aren't actually cast against them anymore. Votes with idol plays typically don't maintain the vote count of the cancelled votes, so Zeke'a boot would be considered a 5-0 vote, rather than 5-4. Also, penalizing someone for getting votes in an idol play, particularly when someone correctly plays one on themself, takes away from the idol play bonus and kind of neutralizes the whole thing. As an example, in Cambodia Kelley received 9/12 votes but played her idol. So in that situation she only received 14/50 of the points that idol play earned her. |
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Post by yope on Dec 2, 2016 19:33:35 GMT
if u changed the rules to b the way u r describing then ensuring that u possess all people who have idols on ur team will become even more of a priority than it already was. in a game where there r 3 or 4 idols in play that kinda stagnates gameplay.
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Post by gerbil on Dec 2, 2016 19:35:41 GMT
Oh, I forgot about your suggestion for decreasing the penalty to 2 points in an idol play. I don't know, that could work too I suppose. I just feel like idol plays aren't frequent enough that negating vote penalties altogether would be unfair, and that it doesn't make sense to punish the contestant for a situation where they have to be getting votes to play an idol and be rewarded for that move in the first place.
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